114 thoughts on “bin Laden dead, justice NOT served.

  1. Agreed, I’m not sure that it is ever ok to celebrate someone’s death. And it’s a little hypocritical of the US, who spend half their time pushing Human Rights.

      • Lacey, I think the real hyprocisy is you. You sit in the safety of your house and make these judgements while men and women have sacrificed for the last 10 years, away from family, away from home. watching their friends become injured and kiled by this man and his followers. And its obvious that you sympathise with them more than you do with the that that have worked to protect you. A simple thank you would be appreciated and then shut up. Other than that, its obvious you hate the military and you want to hurt and discredit them. I bet you would like to kill a few soldiers yourself

        • How does disagreeing with a chosen course of action correlate to a hatred of the armed forces? That’s beyond small minded, it’s down right stupid seeing as one of the freedoms our soldiers fight for is our right to free speech. Get a clue Tim, and by the way my Grandfather (25 years retired Air Force) agreed with Laci.

        • Tim, shut up. It’s people like you that allow the violence to continue. He is dead. That is great. now maybe his entire organization will fall as a result. But celebrating his death in such a way is not good. It shows that the people of this country support the killing of people, and for people who watch this out of context it will send the wrong message. Despite what you think, there are countries out there that have yet to become industrialized, and if they see this kind of behavior, and the only context they know about it is that someone died, what do you think that is gonna run through their heads? No to mention that she had a good point about us acting like people did in the 1700-1800′s. We are more civilized and until the violence and idiocy stops, this kind of thing will happen again and again. Those who can not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. Open you mind. After all, minds are like parachutes. They only function when open.

        • Tim,

          I think you are greatly misunderstanding the point of those who find these celebrations in the streets to be incredibly odd. I was 14 on 9/11. I remember watching the footage of Arabs in the middle-east cheering the towers falling. I remember being so sad and angry that people would cheer our pain in such a way.

          Dare I say, that the footage in front of the white house, at ground zero, and at time square, was remarkably similar to that of those Arabs 10 years ago. Of course, the faces were mostly white, and the language exclusively English, but the cheering and frat-boy nature of the celebration was truly painstaking to watch. It’s all about perspective. We’re creating a lot of hatred for ourselves. I know this, because watching those Arab’s celebrate our pain caused a hatred in me that took years to dissipate.

          But I hate the military. LOLZ :|

          • I know some people did cheer about the planes crashing into the twin towers. BUT some of the people mourned the deaths of inncoent people too. Not EVERYONE wanted inncoent lives to be harmed. And i mean no offence what so ever in this comment.

        • “A simple thank you would be appreciated and then shut up.”
          So to hell with the first amendment? Surprisingly, I have a Bush line going through my head right now, “They hate us for our freedom.” I’ve never agreed with that idea, but I’m sure that some terrorists DO hate us for our freedom. ESPECIALLY the first amendment. The one that lets Laci make a video like this. The one that lets us disagree with their religion, regardless of what religion the terrorist group in question happens to follow. The one that basically lets you essentially call Laci un-American for exercising the free speech she is granted because she’s an American citizen.

          “Other than that, its obvious you hate the military and you want to hurt and discredit them. I bet you would like to kill a few soldiers yourself”
          I’d argue that if anyone here hates the military, it’s you. You seem to be against the freedom the military fights to protect. Laci embraces that freedom, and exercises it. That’s a good thing.

          Disagreeing with something, does not equal hating everyone involved with that something. Just because I disagree with the war, does not mean I hate the military. It does not mean I want to kill these men and women myself. It means I disagree with what they’ve been told to do. And as an American Citizen, it is my right to do so. Maybe I’m a pacifist by nature, who is opposed to all killing for any reason. Maybe I think this war is about oil, not about terrorism, and I think THAT is a stupid reason to kill people. Maybe I’m a 9/11 truther and I think 9/11 was an inside job to convince the American people that we should go to war. I can disagree with an action for any number of reasons. That does not mean I hate the people being instructed to carry out that action. It means I disagree with the action itself. Maybe I hate the people ORDERING the action. But I don’t hate the people who are doing their jobs.

        • Tim, you are scum. There are not words enough to describe what a subhuman piece of shit you are to accuse someone of disloyalty simply because they don’t exhibit the same bloodthirstiness as you do. You and everyone like you need to die off already and stop making the rest of us ashamed of our flag and country.

      • Don’t you just wish you could think your thoughts directly at people? Most frustrating thing ever. It would take a thousand page book for me to even begin to express how I feel about this entire situation.

  2. I love how you’re the only one I’ve found so far that hasn’t succumbed to 1st grade quality mob mentality. Thank you Laci. I will more than likely use this particular video to get my own points across if that’s ok.

    • I love how you have taken her Mob mentality idea. Mob Mentality is to act with out knowing guilt for sure or with out justice. So every war is just “mob mentality” It is many people trying to kill other people. No Mob Mentallity and doing a tactical attack on a specific target and people being happy a murderer far worse then we have seen in a long time is dead is nothing to be ashamed of or worried about.

  3. Thank you so much for speaking up. I agree with you. It seems so morbid for people to be celebrating death. It’s hate breeding hate, violence breeding violence.

  4. I am annoyed at the fact that people are so happy. Justice is far from being served. There is talk of possible retaliation and if that is the case more solider will have to be sent out to war. My boyfriend graduates from basic training in July and he may need to get shipped out right after if this spirals out of control.

  5. I’m so glad I’m not the only one who feels this way. I almost feel bad for saying that I’m not happy he’s dead because everyone around me is so happy about it. He was a bad person, but people gathering in a group in front of the White House to celebrate… disturbed me greatly :\

  6. Thank you, Laci, I’m glad that other people can see that 1 death doesn’t equal justice for the thousands of parentless families resulting from acts of terrorism. Osama has died a martyr to his people now instead of being brought into the American justice system and maybe used as an example of how well we could treat our prisoners and encourage more Terrorists to surrender instead of fighting to the death (WWII strategy that resulted in Germans Surrendering after seeing how ‘civil’ prisoners of war were treated) his death will be used to fuel attacks against America.
    The celebrations out front of the white house were definitely primitive in my mind too. Although some people deserve to die, I still see it as immoral to kill them.
    One funny fb update I did here though: “Obama’s definitely getting laid tonight” Just saying.

  7. I agree completely. Celebrating ANYONE’S death is disgusting. ‘Justice’ and revenge should not go hand in hand. I am saddened by the majority’s reactions to this event as it shows a lack of respect for life. No human can be pure evil, and we should remember that whatever good may have been in Bin Laden is dead now as well.

  8. I both agree and disagree. It feels wrong to celebrate his death but I don’t feel it was murder. The solider who shot him did it because he/she was protecting us and everyone else he wanted to kill. It sucks that this man chose to be who he was but he did chose to be a mass murderer. I’m not glad he is dead but I’m glad he can’t hurt anyone anymore. The bad thing is now his followers are going to be out for revenge and more people will die. This is just a horrible situation and I believe all off it is wrong but due to the circumstance nothing could have been done better.

  9. This is exactly how I feel. I’ve just been kind of scared to suggest it to anyone. Yes, he was a horrible person but he fought for what he believed in. He was someone’s hero, and someone is going to want to make the US pay for what we did to him.

    People are excited that he’s dead because he was the mastermind behind 9/11 and other horrible attacks. I’m confused about how I feel. Patriotically I should be celebrating, but I don’t want to celebrate someone dying even if I think he was horrible and I didn’t agree with him.

  10. The whole problem started because of the “Us vs Them” mentality. Both sides think the other side is the enemy for different reasons. Obviously, bin Laden’s side was concerned about what he thought was appropriate from Islam, and he didn’t have any concern for the well-being of people. Having said that, it hurt me to see chants of “U-S-A” and all around elation because it implies there was a ‘battle’ rather than a country defending itself. When you defend yourself successfully (that hasn’t even happened yet), you expect joy and relief, but not celebration and victory chants. Instead of “Us vs Them” we need “Us”. We’re all in this together, and we need to save each other from ourselves.

  11. I think the most disappointing thing about what is happening, is that we refuse to engage in the discussion. Period. There are so many assumptions about what justice is when we’re talking about our collective United States. Even if we assume that we ‘all’ agree, anger usually seems more important than forgiveness, social equality and re-engineering our world for the positive. Will we piss people off because we literally celebrate the destruction of human life? Yes. Will that possibly create more anger and frustration with the United States? Yes. Will everyone in the world be able to see that not all United States folks are totally outside their minds? hopefully.

    Cheers Laci. Keep up the good work.

  12. I don’t think it is ever ok to celebrate the death of another human being.

    However, I have conflicted inner emotions right now. I’m a Canadian who teacher EAL students, primarily Muslims from Saudi Arabia. I am angry at the devastation he caused to my neighbouring country, and the devastation he has caused around the world. He, and Al Quaeda, have created such a negative stereotype of Muslims and what Islam means.

    I don’t think his death is the grand solution to terrorism, nor do I think we should parade the streets in celebration. But I do think that it was a necessary step towards freedom and safety in the Middle East, and piece of mind at home.

  13. First, I’d say that using the word “murdered” when speaking of Bin Laden is a bit loaded. While I feel ashamed by the televised reactions of the American people to this news, I think the assassination of Bin Laden was an act of self-defense.

    While the jubilation at death in this case does feel like the mood a lynching must have had, I think a more powerful comparison is thinking of the images we see from the region where Bin Laden recruited soldiers amidst a general hatred of the US. We are used to seeing images of people shouting, chanting, cheering while burning an American flag and calling for our blood. These images are used to decry the mindset of the terrorist and to show us that we are in danger even if nothing concrete has happened.

    What I saw from the crowd in front of the White House and in New York last night was the same thing. People cheering violence and celebrating their hatred. This isn’t an end to violence and hatred; this is proof that that same violence and hatred lives inside of us.

    We need to remember that Bin Laden didn’t create the atmosphere of hatred aimed at the US, he just tapped into it. A greater cause of this attitude toward us is our own foreign policy. Much of his danger was a result of his terrorist tactics, those he learned when we trained him to be a terrorist to fight the Soviets for us. We should keep all this in mind as we move into the future. And remember: your hate says more about you than the person you hate.

  14. Two points that strike me:

    1) Why would people celebrate the loss of habeas corpus? And, if they’re not celebrating that, why should anyone be exempt from that principle?
    Terrorism is technically a crime (at least as far as I know), not an act of war – and I think everyone should have the right to trial.

    2) A great quote I read: “10 years, 2 wars, 919,967 deaths, and $1,188,263,000,000 later, we managed to kill one person. Was it worth it?”

    Bin Laden achieved precisely what he wanted: Foreign armies to invade their territory. In doing this, a lot of civilians have died, America has suffered a huge loss of civil liberties, and faces bankruptcy.

    Having said that, I think some people (possibly a minority) were celebrating the idea that this would finally mark an end to the war in Afghanistan – as there is no logical reason to remain there. But this was briefly shot down by Clinton and members of the Administration with still no end in sight.

    Just a few thoughts I had!
    Thanks

  15. There was no way to serve our kind of justice to a man like Bin Laden. He had adopted the desires of a martyr or a lifetime prisoner like Charles Manson. The only justice for Bin Laden was silencing him permanently from doing more harm either by his own hands or by his command.

  16. I see your points. . . everyone I really do. But it was a great day for me to hear that. I know his death will surely not bring my father back who I lost in the 9/11 attack but I also realize that this is something that will pull me closer to people. I am happy that people are celebrating a death because after they attacked Americans on American soil the terrorists celebrated it! It saddens me a little to see that some people are so against the celebatory nature of this event but that is your choice. I miss my father every single day and I am a firm believer in “Sevi Paccum Parrabellum.” If you want peace prepare for war. I will pray he made no horcruxes and I will toast to his demise. And it’s no ones business if I do. Laci, if you can wear a shirt with a vagina on it and not worry about offending someone, can’t I as a first hand victim of terrorism post on my facebook or twitter about how truly ecstatic I am that a horrible human being was taken from this earth?

    Again, I hope I’m not offending anyone I just think you should look at both sides of the picture. It is a mob mentality and that I get, but I also don’t think in this circumstance it is an ill effect.

    <3

    • I don’t think there is any such thing as an invalid emotional response. You feel how you feel and no one can question whether you are feeling the right thing or not. But nothing you’ve described makes this justice, in fact, it seems to highlight even more clearly as revenge. The act of assassinating Bin Laden is the same either way. What separates a necessary act of defense from an act of revenge is our response to it.

      Pointing out that violent extremists cheered the attack on our people can’t be used as a justification of our own horrid behavior. When provoked, they became consumed by hate and they enjoyed our pain. When America was provoked, we were the same as they were. This is not the America I would be proud to be a part of. We are a people born in blood and pain and loss. We turn our loss into strength not hate. At least, I’d like to think so.

    • My heart goes out to you for the loss of your father. I cannot imagine how it would feel to lose family in such an atrocious way.
      I don’t think you have to worry about your opinion offending anyone. You have a right to how you feel.
      I have a sick feeling in my stomach when I see anyone celebrating anyone’s death. The world I seek to create is one of peace and peaceful solutions and its what I will continue to work towards.

  17. I don’t know if justice is obtainable for this situation, however I am happy that this bastard is off the face of the earth. Some people can say a death is never to be celebrated, I say, sometimes… yes a death can be celebrated. Some people are so vile and heinous that their existence does nothing but cause misery to the whole of mankind. Bin Laden was at the very bottom of the spectrum of these kinds of people, he’s no Hitler or Stalin but he was still trash and got the late term abortion he deserved.

  18. Pah, this man up until yesterday would’ve been considered a threat to international security; it’s a relief he’s dead. It’s his own fault people are celebrating it; he is the face of an organisation that killed countless, innocent civilians. Do people like him even deserve to be called and treated as humans? I’d say no, but the American Government tried to detain him prior to killing him, so obviously even they consider him to have rights.

    I don’t know, I can’t understand condemning anything that’s happened to this man before or after death; he deserves it all and more. I am now pleased I don’t have to worry about Bin Laden orchestrating another terror attack. However, hate breeds more hate so there’s bound to be more.

  19. The flag wrapping patriots dancing in the street for the dead enemy… just like every Islamic country on 9-11. We’re sooooo much better than them, aren’t we… (note sarcasm).

    For those of us who have been living directly with the consequences of the choice to pursue fear mongering (the “war on terror”), as well as this cycle of perpetual war (THREE wars now, and counting), nothing changes with the death of one vaguely important terrorist.

    Tomorrow we will still wonder which of our friends and family will come home in a BOX, or with limbs missing, or with psychologically crippling trauma. Tomorrow we will still cycle through 8 month deployments, and information black-outs when someones been lost. We’ll still dread every doorbell, because there might be a unimformed officer on the other side of the door.

    Bin Ladens death means NOTHING to those of us who are living the nightmare created by this climate of fear. WE did that. Bin Laden just gave us an excuse.

    • Of all the comments I’ve read and all the opinions I’ve heard, yours touched me the most so I had to comment. It’s one of the most logical arguments around.

      Osama bin Laden is a symptom of the problem, not the problem. There will be another al-Qaeda leader, someone potentially worse than bin Laden. All we’ve managed to do is exacerbate the problem by cheering his death… While in our minds we might believe that we’re cheering for our boys and girls, that they did a good job, to an outsider, we are cheering the death of a Muslim and that can be manipulated into something bigger, can cause more chaos and more death.

      I don’t get to ‘celebrate’ – my boys are still being deployed this summer to a place that is still (if not more so now) dangerous. The fact that one man no longer exists doesn’t make much difference, the fear and the hatred is still there.

  20. Umm.. Yeah, he was killing a whole bunch of people. Would you rather have your family killed by him or would you want someone to kill the murderer before he gets to you? People celebrate his death because he deserved that. If one of you people go into the middle of Time Square or at Ground Zero and try to say what she said, you will get shot because Justice was served and now a little percentage of planned terrorists attacks were stopped.

  21. I agree with you Laci. Justice is a trial, with rules of evidence, and burden of proof before a conviction. What happened was equivalent to any other murder committed for revenge. That’s not justice, and it’s blind to think that it is. The only good thing that I can see coming from this is that between releasing his long form birth certificate last week, and Osama being dead this week, maybe now Obama can finally accomplish something.

  22. Ditto. On all of it.

    Though I am still happy about it. I’m seeing it more as a win for the US though and less of a loss for al Qaeda. I’m not celebrating his death at all (personally I was hoping we’d catch him alive) but I do see this as a massive morale boost for the troops who are still over there–especially in Afghanistan. They deserve a pick-me-up like this, and I think given the situation for them I can forgive a VERY SMALL amount of mob mentality/happiness. Cause even if we’d caught him alive, he’d still be put to death. The only good endings to all of this would have ended in his death anyway, so it was a bit unavoidable. That said, you’re def right that we shouldn’t be celebrating his death or pouncing on his dead body–we should be celebrating that we finally showed some progress after 10 years and brought a guilty man to justice (somewhat). Luvs :)

  23. Why has nobody brought up the lack of evidence to support the government’s claims? I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but why are there no photographs of the body? Why is there no video record of this? Why wasn’t the DNA results released? Why are people so willing to accept a claim as significant as this without even a shred of evidence to support it? Moreover, how is it that no one is impressed by the speed at which bin Laden was allegedly killed, his body recovered, his identity confirmed through DNA testing, and his ‘burial’ at sea, all within 24 hours?

    • 1. The burial at sea had to be done within 24 hours to adhere to Islamic rules for burial.
      2. At some point, you have to trust someone. Even if we had all the time in the world, we wouldn’t have the resources for every citizen to be taught DNA testing procedures and run an independent test. If they released the results, you’d still have to trust that they were genuine and that they prove what they say they prove. And you see how well that worked out for Obama with his birth certificate.
      3. It took 10 years to find the man. But it only takes a few seconds to put a bullet in a head. And if the team was in place to do that, they would have had little trouble getting the body and getting out.
      4. DNA testing doesn’t take all that long. Most delays are due to backlogs and scarcity of machines and technicians. No one is going to put the President confirming Bin Laden’s DNA on a wait list.

      • Just because I want evidence to show that, yes, we did actually kill bin Laden does not mean I don’t trust the government — there are plenty of other reasons for that. All I want is for the government to release a photograph of Osama bin Laden’s recently-deceased corpse with a bullet in it’s head and I’ll accept that we killed him.

        • Will that make so much difference? I’m sure someone can create a doctored image for you if need be… that’s really how easy it is. Like someone stated, you have to trust someone sometime.

  24. what did you think they were going to do when they found him?? if they got him alive they would have hanged him. justice is served, because he is going to rot in hell. this is silly. stop shitting on the great moment that this is. he was the entire reason that we sent troops to the middle east in 2001. there is no mob mentality or comparison of lynching and primitive mob killings. in many instances, those people were innocent. we did not humiliate osama, nor did we unjustly punish him because of racism or hatred. i’m sorry but you’re completely misspeaking. this is time of war, and it is us against them. being “kind” and “peaceful” gets you “shot” and “taken over.” the american government afforded him way more respect than he deserved by not simply treating him like road kill, and respecting some islamic tradition while disposing of his body, and you should have been aware of that when you made this video. what was done was necessary, and it is over and that’s the way people should look at this. it is almost hypocritical for you to preach peace and live regarding a person filled with so much hatred. i cannot agree with you at all.

    • Lydia;
      No one is debating the fact that Bin Laden was guilty of the deaths of many. Nor are many even saying he would have been executed.
      However, his death does not bring me joy and I will not dance in the street to celebrate. His death did not bring back those who died on 9/11 nor does his death make us any “safer”.
      We cannot criticized the actions of groups of people (mobs) celebrating death by yelling, jumpin around and woo hoo ing and then somehow think “we” are better than them.

  25. for every action there is a reaction… Yes we may have gotten the guy but retaliation will follow and we better be ready for it.

  26. Here’s the thing about this whole situation: the ideal would have been to bring Bin Laden in, do a perp walk, and dump him in ADX Florence for the rest of his life after a civilian trial. Considering that the US had already been after him for eight years before 9/11, there was almost no chance of that happening.

    What we have is the justice of Columbine, of Virginia Tech, and any number of other murder and terror cases where the perpetrator didn’t survive to be brought to proper justice. History’s shown that to be a rather hollow justice — the perpetrator has been punished, as far as it goes, but when the process is short-circuited by the death of the perp, the accountability is moot.

  27. Thank you a million times! I have not found anyone with the same view as me on this and it is really comforting to know that I am not the only human feeling uneasy with all of this happieness of a humans death. When I logged onto facebook and saw statuses like ” USA USA USA..WE got that bastard” and “shot right to the skull, thank God for this day” I felt instantly sicked. This way of thinking is disgustingly of nationalistic and very primitive. I understand that he was an evil human, but to see so many people happy over one man’s death is quite unnerving. Thank you Laci Green, for posting this video because it affirms that I am not alone in my way of thinking, I greatly appreciate your blogs and videos.

  28. Hi Laci,
    I love all your commentary but I do not agree this team. This is not Mob mentality. That would be like saying the Jews should not have celebrated when Hitler died. Osama stated many times that we should all be dead and if he had the chance he would have killed us. He took responsibilty for 9/11. I beleive everyone should be happy. I do not beleive Mob Mentality when you lynch someone whether or not the are guilty and with out Justice backing you is completely different from this. we know what he did and who he was and he deserved it. Thank you for all you do laci, Joe

  29. What is so wrong with “violence” anyway? In my opinion it is naive to simply categorize it as a whole as inherently wrong. That we as a species have evolved beyond such a petty thing.

  30. Maybe in the future,in the interest of “ideal” justice, when virtual reality has been perfected,we will be able to put people like Bin Laden through all of the experiences that his innocent victims felt. But after the first two or three, he would likely be begging for the relief of a quick death, so I have very mixed feelings on this issue, but I do feel better knowing that a person who has promised to keep killing as many people as necessary to achieve his “personal” goal has been stopped cold from doing so. Bin Laden chose to implement his own version of “justice”, with no regard for the rights of his innocent victims, so I see this as a special case, where “ideal” justice just didn’t apply.

  31. I am with you. We celebrate our own Degeneration. We no longer learn and progress. We have begun to regress into our basic instincts.

    By asking for an Eye in Exchange for our own, we have signed a contract. We have accepted Endless Unnecessary Conflict.

    We lead by example. Our Message: Fear Us or Accept Retribution.

  32. Thank you, Laci, for posting this. You have inspired the best discussion of the event I have seen anywhere. I love being able to read all the responses and get the feel for the full range of humanities reactions. I find I am able to understand and sympathize with every reaction, both positive and negative. I am in awe of the spectrum of feeling you have initiated.

  33. I totally agree with you, we are by nature a very violent species. I don’t feel it will really resolve anything, as ideas can’t be shot in the head.

    • Actually humanity is not a naturally-violent species. Aside from the fact that over 90% of the history of humanity was spent in egalitarian hunter-gatherer tribes whose members very-frequently expressed compassion and empathy, violence, and the lack thereof, is a learned behavior that is usually caused by social and economic inequality within a society.

      • I tend to take a dim view of humanity as a whole. I was referring to the frequent threat or use of violence by humans, usually against other humans.
        I don’t disagree it’s ‘usually caused by social and economic inequality within a society’
        But the fact remains that humans are prone to and can be violent, which suggests an innate behaviour. Hence my previous comment.

  34. I think Mark Twain said it best…

    “I’ve never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.”
    — Mark Twain

    Really I dont think there was any good thing to do with Osama bin Laden, killing a person is not a good thing, bringing him in and putting him in a jail would just cause a lot of attacks with the demand of his release, and just ignoring him was not an option either since he didnt have any interest in that himself…

  35. Are you serious? Yeah I don’t think justice was served, but that’s because he didn’t suffer. He has lived the past ten years happy knowing that he has negatively affected so many lives. I have suffered for ten years knowing that my uncle died on 9/11 and knowing that my dad could have, because he was a fireman in NYC. The fact that this man didn’t get tortured for days bothers me, but knowing that he is at least dead does still make me happy, and to know that he was shot in the head by an American, well that just gives me goosebumps of joy, but that’s just my opinion.

    • Cory,

      You’re obviously free to think what you wish, but do you really believe that we’re all so much different? Do you realize that we (as members of NATO) killed 3 of Qaddafi’s grandchildren, all younger than 12, just a couple days ago? By your logic, any person who was related/loved/cared for these young children should feel happy to see any of the perpetrators brought to justice… That could be a solider, a group of soldiers, our President… Isn’t that what we all got so “disturbed” by over the years? The Arabic cheering and gloating over the death of American soldiers who were maimed in battle? The taking of the corpse and lighting it on fire, then throwing it into a river?

      Your mentality, and anybody who shares it, is the SAME as the people over there. But since you are American, you think you’re justified, whereas they are just stupid, senseless, and archaic Arabs…

      Wishing for pain and suffering on anybody is merely going to bring more of the same back to you and others. Peace requires being the bigger and better person/people. We go around and claim “America, we’re #1,” but outside of obesity rates and teenage pregnancy, are we really? I can say one thing for sure, we’re definitely not the “bigger person.” We cheer violence just as much as any “stuck in the 9th century” society. We hate just as much as any supremest group… We’re American’s, so who gives a damn about Qadaffi’s grandchildren? They’re just brown muslims anyway. :|

      “Fool’s are we, if hate’s the gate to peace.”

  36. thank you SO much Laci. in this ocean of hate-mongering and pro-murder celebration your video was a lifeline to remind me that a human being is dead.

    This sort of horror is not justice, it’s only one more atrocity to heap on to the nightmare. more killing doesn’t bring anyone any closer to justice, to the opposite, it pushes everyone away from any chance of peace.

  37. I’m glad you made this video, as I was thinking roughly the same thing this morning. After being bombarded with celebratory news reports and savage facebook posts, I became a little bit annoyed with the attitude going around about the issue.

    I don’t like the use in violence, but I am not absurd enough to believe it should never be used.
    In this situation, there was no way of compromising, protecting (without compromising freedom), reversing, or ignoring the problem.

    This display of violence should be treated as a “I don’t want to, but you leave me no choice” situation. Not the “YEAH, TAKE THAT TERRORIST SCUM!” response we seem to be conjuring. This kind of reaction just continues the act of violence, and angers our enemies, and puts us in even more danger.

    On another note, I love the web address of this page…http://lacigreen.tv/SEXUALITY/2254-BINLADEN

  38. I think he should have been tried. It seems kind of savage to go in and kill him without even trying to simply capture him first (assuming that’s what happened. I heard nothing about it being a capture mission.) Hell, we even tried the perpetrators of the holocaust. Why not Osama? Why not the Al Queda?
    I also wonder how true all of this is. I hadn’t heard any news on Osama for a long damn time other than “lul we don’t know where he is”. Then all of a sudden he’s dead, we killed him, and it’s hooray USA. Allegedly they’ve claimed the body. I haven’t checked the news yet today but I haven’t heard there’s been any real proof given of that. Allegedly there was a big firefight when all of this went down, and not a single US force was injured. I’m just not so sure I believe it all.
    And as far as the “justice being served”, I agree that it hasn’t really but at the same time I can understand why people feel that way when for the past ten years Osama has been tagged as the symbol of what happened at 9/11. I’m not really sure how I feel about that yet. I’ve never heard of a holocaust survivor that felt everything was okay after Hitler bit the dust. It doesn’t change what happened, however it is like eliminating a threat that he could of done something again (not that others won’t). Although it seemed like he was kind of done with us now seeing as he was more interested in playing hide and seek. He hasn’t even been the chief commander of the Al-Queda for a few years, from what I’ve heard. He was just a symbol. Like I said I’d be much more happy if he (not to mention other Al Queda) had been tried, instead of busting in, apparently shooting up a few dudes, then just leaving and saying “victory”.
    I’m just staying skeptic and we’ll see what comes of this

  39. Laci, with all due respect, I am offended by this generalization. I’m speaking for myself, and perhaps people who have been directly affected by 9/11. It’s very easy for people outside of this tragedy to say that justice hasn’t been served, that you have to look at the bigger picture, etc. My uncle was in the Towers that day, and when Osama was killed, there was indeed some sort of justice felt there. It may not be complete justice, but what is complete justice anyway? When will the world ever experience that? I doubt that we will be able to witness true, complete justice in our lifetime. But for now, this is enough for me. The man behind a tragedy that has affected so many lives, including mine, has finally been put to rest. Sometimes, that’s really all we need for now to move on. So I find it deeply offensive when you say that celebrating this very symbolic accomplishment is “primitive.” I’m not celebrating death; I’m celebrating one less threat.

  40. I understand your point, but this country is slipping into the seventh circle of hell. This is a victory for those of us who have questioned “why haven’t we found him yet?” This closes that chapter. Do I believe our country handles foreign policy in the best manner? NO, but this P.O.S. killed thousands of innocent human beings. In my book, he deserved worse.

    • I’m sorry, but to say that Osama bin Laden killed thousands of people, is to say that you or I (as citizens of the USA) are responsible for the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians between Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya… (And countless other places around the world). By voting in George W. Bush and now Barack Obama, the American people have accepted a foreign policy of militarism and disregard for innocent people.

      Osama Bin Laden was a bad dude. He was indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. I hate to say it though; so are we. The more y’all cheer the death of an enemy, the larger the target you’re putting on all of us… Because they are people too. If you can feel such joy when seeing an enemy die, then just maybe they will too?

      “Joyfully celebrating the killing of a killer who joyfully celebrated killing carries an irony that I hope will not be lost on us. Are we learning anything, or simply spinning harder in the cycle of violence?” – Some wise man.

  41. Laci
    I understand your sentiments as I once held those same ideas when I was younger. I once was a left wing democrat but then I grew up and realized that idealism is not reality. Don’t get me wrong the need for alternate views is important. But I think that comparing this to a lynching is stretching the point. First lynchings were emotional responses to situations that end in the lynching. The emotion exhibited yesterday was after the fact. Those who were reacting were reacting to an event something after the fact. Another thing is that we cannot sit idly by and allow others to take advantage of our laws. Others do not live by our laws so there is no reason to use our laws respecting other countries. You of all people should realize we are not going to wait for God to avenge 911 we need to fight evil where it resides in men. Justice if there is such a thing was served.

  42. 1. Some people need to die in this world.

    2. Think all you want! You’re in college, we encourage this. But in most of the world, death is a punishment. I favor torture myself.

    3. This guy pretty much said “nanner nanner” to the USA for 10+ years. People everywhere need to learn, don’t f*ck with the USA.

    4. The world is NOT going to change. Faith is scary because its blind undying following.. and extremist will continue to come and kill, then we go and hunt them down. Its a small satisfaction knowing we got the guy behind 9/11.

    5. Go relax, smoke a bowl, and chill out. Try to give Americans a few fleeting moments of joy.

  43. Laci,

    I completely understand and agree.

    I think I’ve found the appropriate response, and am astonished that I hadn’t thought of it before — I’m sure it’s a quotation that you and most everyone else is familiar with:

    ”I will mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.”
    –Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

    cliches exist for a reason, i think. many of them ring true.

  44. the best way I have seen it put so far, at least in explaining the excitement we are feeling over a mans death
    -Quote–
    My take on it is this:

    chanting ‘U-S-A’ is easy.

    chanting “I’VE GROWN UP IN THE SHADOW OF TWO WARS THAT HAVE PUT OUR COUNTRY’S BUDGET DEFICIT IN A DOWNWARD SPIRAL. THE BAD GUY WHO LAUNCHED US IN TO THESE WARS HAS BEEN KILLED AND OBVIOUSLY THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IS ELATED AT JUSTICE BEING SERVED, NO MATTER HOW VIOLENT. I’M UNSURE HOW I SHOULD FEEL BUT TONIGHT FOR ONCE THERE IS UNIFIED JOY AND PRIDE IN WHAT IS UNDOUBTEDLY THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.” – that’s a bit tougher
    -end quote–
    Via http://gawker.com/#!5797878/comments-of-the-day-grave-dancing

    I agree with 2 of your 3 main points Laci
    1) I know your not defending him or his actions
    2) I also do not think justice has been servered, or ever will be
    2a) I would have almost rather he be captured kept alive, and never been allowed to see the light of day, much less a camera, or any shred of comfort for the rest of his life……..but not “tortured”, just made miserable

    • 3)
      (ran out of text space apprently)
      but I can not agree with your comparison to lynch mobs or festivals of pain
      we are not celebrating because we enjoy seeing a human being die, or experience a great amount of physical pain, we are not lynching someone out of mob mentality because we don’t agree with them
      we are celebrating because “we got him”.

      The man – who brought an untold amount of fear and pain into our lives, changed how we travel and thrust us into wars we would not have other wise been in – is no longer on this earth, no longer out there possibly planning another attack on us, or making videos decrying our lifestyle.

      this has been 10 years coming, and for a lot of us, it’s finally something coming full circle, finishing the job we set out to do 10 years ago, but was never finished.

      yes, I am “happy” a man is dead
      but I am more proud that the real “mission” was “accomplished”, and these 10 years will not have been simply a very deadly, very expensive, goose chase.

  45. I have to say I completely agree with you Laci. Yes I am glad that this evil man can no longer do any more harm in the world, but that doesn’t mean I am celebrating the fact that he was killed. It was the same when Sadam was killed, I find it hard to see a death as a reason to be happy.

  46. Laci, I’m usually right there with you in the things you say, but in this case you’ve grossly mischaracterized what has happened here. This was not a “murder”. Bin Laden was an enemy combatant – an UNLAWFUL one at that – who was responsible for the killing of thousands of non-combatants – innocent civilians – and declaring war on the US. He was killed in combat as an armed participant (I can guarantee he would be alive and in custody otherwise). This was the killing of an enemy general, and there’s nothing wrong with it. Calling it a “murder” puts the wrong spin on the act itself and characterized our servicemen doing their jobs as criminals, which they are not. Shame on you. Other than that, I agree – the joyful celebrations of a death are misplaced, but there is no reason not to feel some amount of peace, satisfaction, relief, etc., that this monster is no longer among the living and can do no more harm.

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  47. I couldn’t agree more. Celebrating death doesn’t make much sense to me. The military is not the solution to terrorism in my opinion (rather it’s the cause of much of it), and so I don’t see any real practical benefit in Bin Laden’s death anyway.

  48. I agree that the response to his death has been disappointing. I actually just got off the phone with my dad, who was in the Air Force for 22 years, and we talked about why people are reacting the way they are. Neither of us could come up with a better answer than mob mentality and the way the media has been handling 9/11 since… well, 9/11. Death really isn’t ever something to be celebrated, and it’s extremely disheartening to see so many of my friends rejoice in his death on facebook.

    That said, I wouldn’t describe it as murder or say the way the US handled this particular situation was wrong. He committed an atrocity and would gladly do so again given another chance. There is no reformation for someone absorbed in a radical religious sect to the point where they are willing to train suicide bombers to murder thousands of people and follow up with videos celebrating in the murders. There is no question to his guilt. I’m absolutely opposed to the death sentence regular civilian cases, even serial killers. This man, however, posed a threat to an entire nation, wanting to cause only destruction. I’m no fan of the military, but this is a time when it carried out a function that was needed in my opinion.

    Like I said, though, I find taking any joy in his death to be disgusting.

  49. Laci, i really do think you’re brilliant, but I strongly disagree with you.

    What happened here was not a lynching/execution without trial. There was a firefight, Osama was killed within battle. I don’t think anyone believes that he would have come peacefully, and I don’t believe that the soldiers dispatched would have killed him in cold blood. A captured Osama would have been much better than a dead one for obvious reasons.

    I have seen plenty of people comment saying that the celebrations of Americans in the streets is the same as the celebrations of those in other countries in regards to those that were killed in 9/11. I see this as a false equivalencey. Americans are celebrating the death of a man who took responsibility for multiple acts of terrorism. To him all Americans were the same; gender, ethnicity, religion, age, they meant nothing, and the death of a 94 year old Jewish American was as good as the death of an 8 month old baby born to American Muslim parents. And the jubilation on the streets we saw in some middle eastern countries came from much the same place. I however do not blame the majority of those people in the streets. I see them more as victims of propaganda perpetrated by those seeking to gain power by giving the people a common enemy to hate. In nations where there is no information present that the those in power do not want present, how can you blame the people for not knowing any better? The closer equivalencey would be if Americans cheered in the street when civilians targets in Afghanistan were bombed, but instead the reaction to such acts is shame, as it should be.

    Is killing the best of all options? Or course not. More aid, better education, much better foreign policy and the best ways to prevent terrorism bar none. That stops the problem before it has a chance to grow into something that poses a real threat. That being said, there must be a course of action to take when the threat matures and becomes real. When there are people that want to utterly destroy you because they believe that have a god given mandate to, because they want power, or because they just want to see you suffer, and no amount of diplomacy or bargaining or concessions will stop them, what options are you left with? When all that is left is to either curl up and wait for your end to come, or to fight back, what will you choose???

  50. Even though I don’t 100% agree with what you’re saying, you make a well-reasoned and rational argument. You definitely helped me see from another standpoint on this whole event. You’ve gotta respect that!

  51. “I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.” – Martin Luther King Jr.

  52. Technically it is not justice but revenge… if someone kills my loved one(s) and I kill them for it I will be charged with murder… modern justice is done in some kind of court of law…
    Bin Laden was known to be a terrorist… but there was and is no evidence that he was responsible for or part of the 911 incident, Rex Tomb, then the FBI’s chief of investigative publicity, was asked why not. He replied: “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

    It maybe a form of “justice” in the bigger picture of life in general but it is not really in the modern day formal definition of social justice.

    The world however maybe a safer place now that Bin Laden is gone.

  53. I again am a little on both sides here. I don’t think that the murder of any human being is something to be taken lightly. I also do not feel justice has been served through this one act alone and could never realistically be served to those left behind. I disagree to the lynch parallel that this is some poor misunderstood person jumped by an angry mob…..bin Laden is on the same level as Hitler and many other people in history that has committed international crimes. I didn’t hear anyone complain when they found Hitler had committed suicide. And yes suicide is not murder but in light that he did so because he knew armies were right there about to kill him……well I think you get the picture. Same thing here no one is complaining that bin Laden is dead…..do I think we should throw a party, defiantly not. OK thats my little rant.

  54. im definately DEFINATELY tired of hearing this whole ” he deserved it” stuff. all i get asked is “well what would you do if he killed your family? obviously your opinion would change if you were in their shoes” not true. people who want revenge are little small minded people and those who want torture are even worse. the fact that we can celebrate that is rediculous. no matter what your crime, you can go to jail in an attempt to reform. i cant help but think of the example of the writer of “amazing grace”. he was a slave ship guard/worker and he was a horrible person. but, he reformed and he did whatever he could to better the world after that. i think most people today would say that he deserved to die and i feel sad of that fact.

    • It’s far too easy for people to assume that they would react rationally to devastation like that. What’s wrong with people feeling momentary hatred and anger when a loved one is wronged or killed? As long as they come to realize that they can gain nothing by hatred or revenge, nothing.

  55. There should be no celebrating. I don’t see how this is a victory or something to cheer about when nothing has changed. Another life is gone, that’s all. Our troops aren’t coming home any time soon and revenge was sworn on us. How many more years of violence is it gonna take for people to understand the situation? All I see are a bunch of people acting like little children “HA HA IN YOUR FACE” is the mentality I see, do they think this is a game?

  56. i think living in the UK has given us the more zoome out, big-picture view of this, but you are still one of the few people i’ve come across who share my views. yes great he’s dead, but the manner of his death, and celebrations of it and the assumption that terrorism is over because of this just don’t sit right with me. my initial reaction was not to celebrate, my instincts were making me feel slightly uneasy about the whole thing. i dunno, i just don’t think we’ve heard the end of this, it’s like something i saw on twitter: obama swats mosquito, white house announces usa has cured malaria.

  57. Thank you for being brave enough to say this, Laci. I’m sure you knew that you’d get a lot of negative reactions for this, but you didn’t let that silence you. And I agree with you very much. The people that are going to stand up and point fingers at you and say you’re awful or a terrorist sympathizer or whatever else grossly exaggerated and baseless accusation are people who can not be reached by logic anyway. They’ve made their decision (or, more, let others make it for them) and will never, EVER budge because they’ve drawn a black and white “good and evil” line in the sand. They’ve done it because it’s easier. And that’s pathetic. The only way to move forward as a race is to open our eyes and ask questions, which you have always advocated. Don’t let the hate and willful ignorance of some hold you down. You are reaching people, and you’re letting a lot of lonely people know they aren’t alone in their thoughts and feelings on many subjects that are hard to talk about.

  58. Tough subject.
    An eye for an eye (or 8600+ eyes)?
    Would it have been different if he was arrested, tried in a court of law and then issued a death sentence?
    If the people responsible for his capture were in danger if they did not take this action, would that make a difference?
    It is all over now, except for the Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
    However, everyone is entitled to thier own beliefs.

  59. While i somewhat agree with you and do think its a little hypocritical of us celebrating his death when we’ve been make a big deal out of human rights and i may feel differently in a few days i really don’t care right now. i don’t see him as a human being at all, he was a cancer on humanity. I am glad he is dead and I wish there really was a hell so he can burn in it for the rest of his afterlife. you are right in that violence breeds violence and there will be retaliation but leaving him unchecked would have cost millions of lives. it wasn’t justice that was served 5/02/11 it was vengeance and it felt damn good

  60. Laci it is as if you read the inner most thoughts of my consciousness and articulated them in a way I could never do with out my emotions consuming me. Thank you <3

  61. In every war I’ve studied or seen, the enemy gets dehumanized. They aren’t people anymore, they become “gooks”, “japs” and “jerrys”…or in other words, targets.

    It seems to be a necessary part of our psychology. A mental distancing that makes it possible to kill them in large numbers. It happens in every culture and appears to go back as far as we have written records.

    IMO, after a decade of war, the death of the enemy leader would be celebrated with the same spirit we’ve seen this week, no matter where or when. I don’t claim it’s a good trait, but it seems inevitable human nature.

    • i agree with what u say about dehumanizing the enemy however, i do disagree that it is human nature. isn’t it also human nature to question things. we are humans. we have the ability to make choices. why can’t we choose to overcome the want to retaliate and rise against the hatred we feel?

  62. When I heard the news, it did cross my mind to be happy that he would no longer be responsible for the death of innocent people. And it is easy to see why so many people resorted to that mindset, because it’s easier to hate than to think rationally about a touchy subject like this.
    I am celebrating the fact that Al-Qaeda no longer has a leader, and must reassemble itself before it can retaliate again.
    Many people(including myself for a spell) stopped seeing bin Laden as a human being a long time ago. Which, while sad, was justified by strong anger.
    Thank you for being so rational on this topic that hits close to home for all of us.

  63. laci! thank you so much for posting this vid. i had the same thoughts and i agree with you 100%
    when i first saw the mobs of people celebrating on the news over osama’s death quite frankly i was disturbed and saddened. i started tearing up. not because i’m an osama suporter, he was a bad sick human being, but because people were so happy about one man’s murder. it is my personal opinion that it is wrong to celebrate so greatly over one man’s death. all it really shows how much hatred there is in the world.

  64. I think we all have to remember that each o us celebrates for their own reasons. The thrill of jubilation that went through me when I heard the news kind of mortified me. I, as a chrisitian was terribly morally conflicted. It was a but sickening. After thinking it over however, I believe that it wasn’t necessarily an action celebrating justice, but instead an end to the fear that a capable mass murderer who would kill an entire nation simply because they accept beliefs that he is in dissent with was still at large. Nothing can ever bring back the families of those Usama Bin Laden killed, but we all can sleep a little more soundly knowing that plans to attack millions this anniversary were foiled. That stated, we are still constantly at war with Al Quaeda members who are intolerant to the point of mass murder. This is unacceptable. My thoughts are with military members (shout out to the 101st airborne in torah bora) who have become increasingly more endangered due to this action. In short I think it is important to remember that each individual celebrates for a reason. Mine wasn’t inherently the celebration of the end of a life, but instead a celebration of the end of poor choices, intolerance, and terror that threatened innocent people around the globe.’

  65. I think that there are only two truths at this point.

    A.) He’s not dead. The whole thing is a way for someone to gain credibility. There are no pictures for evidence and no body. I believe if they really killed him, as much as they are rejoicing, they would have brought the body back to the US.

    B.) They killed him a long time ago and they felt it was the appropriate time to inform us.

    Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I just honestly believe that there are a lot of details escaping us.

  66. Boo hoo hoo, Binny was responsible for murdering thousands of Americans. No one needs to apologize for celebrating this guys death. It is a cause of joy and vengence for that horrible rat of a human.

  67. You know, of course, that’s justice. Ignoring the right to a fair trial and just giving that guy a headshot. What else?

    No matter WHAT someone has done – and I do know what cruel things he did – he always has the right to be taken in front of a judge (+jury, depending on what country you live in). That soldier was no judge, that house was no court.

    It’s so ridiculous.

    • You’re pretty stupid if you think a trial would have ended in anything but his death, the guy admitted and even gloated about being responsible for 9/11 he was going to get the death penalty regardless. What would have done? risked the lives of good men who probably have families just to bring him to jail? could you really live with yourself knowing that good person may have died to give this mass murderer “justice”, think about it.

      • Yes I could’ve lived with that. Because the right for a trial means more to me than single human lives.

        And also, I do not support death penalty.

  68. This chick likes to criticize but what alternatives does she suggest? nothing. She has no idea what she would do if she was the one making decisions.What would you do? go to the middle east and ask politely to please stop killing people, I’m sure they’d love to rape you in return. The problem here is that there is NO solution other than violence and until you come up with one, you are wasting your breath.

  69. When I first heard that Osama Bin Laden was killed, I reacted in a way that I didn’t really understand. I was angry. I avoided the news like the plague and didn’t want to open any picture messages on my phone in dread of seeing another “Osama is dead” forward. I know that he did bad things in his life, but I also believe in God. And for people, including Christians, to rejoice in the fact that he was killed, turned me off completely. I didn’t really put my feelings about this into words, and maybe didn’t know how…or just didn’t want to talk about it…but after seeing your video I find that I agree with everything that you said, and I wouldn’t put it any other way. I know why I avoided the internet…including Facebook, just so I didn’t have to read more joy over the event. I’m not condoning what he supported or the things he did in his life, but he was just as human as I am. No one deserves to die. And for others to say that he got what was coming to him, I feel it is not their place to make that judgment call. I am so sick of it. Unfortunately, as you stated, it is an ongoing cycle of violence that will only continue. Unless of course the majority of people pull their heads out of their asses…however, I’m not gonna hold my breath. Great video Laci. I really appreciate all that you do. Thank you.

  70. Well said.
    The death of one person (albeit a leader/figurehead) doesn’t stop other people from continuing on.

    And certianly killing someone is not justice. In my opinion, putting them to trial, like the Nuremberg Trails after WWII, would have been justice.
    Although it would have been interesting to have known what would have happened to Hitler if he had not committed suicide.

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